In this post, I respond to recent comments by Lisa. In the sense that they undoubtedly represent the views of many who visit this blog, Lisa's comments are excellent. They do, however, need desperately to be examined and challenged.
(Above is a 3,500 year-old picture of ancient Minoan men who have been described as singing, laughing, and possibly on their way to a harvesting festival):
Lisa: Wow, completely getting rid of any Masculine Divine? I don't know about that, lol. We'd just have to redefine God the Father, so our brothers will have a more healthy gender identity to relate to.Athana: You have Goddess, and you have peace. You have god, and you have war. It's in the archaeological record. The archaeological record does not lie. Which do you want: war? Or peace?
Lisa: Some sort of God the Father is necessary, just not the way it has become...Athana: If you choose god, you choose war. It's in the archaeological record, and the archaeological record does not lie.
Lisa: Ironically, the way Jesus spoke about God was very similar to how many view the Goddess now.Athana: It doesn't matter. If we have god, we have war. It's in the archaeological record and the archaeological record doesn't lie.
Lisa: And why would you want to get rid of pain, even if you could? Pain is what we have to compare to happiness, to know we are happy. Pain is very grounding.Athana: Choose god, & you choose the pain of perpetual war. Choose Goddess & you choose peace and life's ordinary pains. It's in the archaeological record. The archaeological record does not lie.
Lisa: I think that if men had no God the Father, they'd feel just as jilted and excluded as women do without God the Mother.Athana: Maybe so, but choosing god is choosing war; choosing Goddess is choosing peace. This is shown repeatedly in the archaeological record.
Lisa: Why would we change the rules? Just because men have had God the Father for too long?Athana: No. We'd change the rules because while Goddess means peace, god means war. It's in the archaeological record, which does not lie.
Lisa: Well, that's an emotional response, not logical.Athana: On the contrary, it's one of the most logical responses I know. It's all in the archaeological record. Where there's Goddess there's peace. Where there's god there's war. If we want war 'til the end of time, we keep the gods. If we want an end to war, we chuck the gods and breathe life back into the female divine.
Lisa: Mythos and god images were created for humanity to understand their place in this world.Athana: And our place is peace. And the archaeological record shows a perfect correlation: Goddess-peace, god-war.
Lisa: I think that if we were to completely disregard the Divine in masculinity and males and not represent that, well that is "Patriarchy in a skirt," and just as damaging.Athana: You think, but I know -- from the archaeological record (which cannot lie). The archaeological record shows men living 'under' Goddess to be happy, vibrant, masculine, healthy, satisfied, and proud risk-takers. I invite you to look for yourself: in any book on the ancient Minoans. Minoan men sailed all over the known world --a risky, dangerous business in 2000 BC. They engaged in risky, dangerous sports -- bull leaping, for example. They enjoyed hunting, and the sport of boxing.
In one piece of art they are shown laughing and singing -- something totally unheard of in the art of their contemporaries, the god-worshipping Egyptians, Hittites, Sumerians, etc.
Also unheard of among the manly, Goddess-worshipping Minoan men: war. Violence. Poverty. Self-aggrandizement. All of which run rampant in the contemporaneous ancient Egyptians, Hittites, and other god peoples.