tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post113494787754407393..comments2023-12-25T01:26:27.096-07:00Comments on Radical Goddess Thealogy: godFather, godScience, GodMother & MoralityAthanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135284055549832262005-12-22T13:40:00.000-07:002005-12-22T13:40:00.000-07:00Mike - we're talking about human behavior, not mat...Mike - we're talking about human behavior, not mathematics. The world isn't going to fit your nice little equation, and neither is language. That's the point. Life is more complex than a simple equation, and you're still picking nits, instead of responding to the spirit of the post.Morgainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074112467402675609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135276030244318122005-12-22T11:27:00.000-07:002005-12-22T11:27:00.000-07:00Mike, it’s hard to educate someone in a few blog c...Mike, it’s hard to educate someone in a few blog comments. By “matriarchal” we don’t mean that women were superior to men, or that women lorded it over men. That’s the mistake that’s been made in the past – thinking that women would do to men wat men have done to women. In a matriarchy, there’s no hierarchy, there’s equality. Matriarchies have thus existed without being recognized as such. <Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135262983296021282005-12-22T07:49:00.000-07:002005-12-22T07:49:00.000-07:00MIke - a statement doesn't have to apply to every ...<I> MIke - a statement doesn't have to apply to every single member of a group for it to be generally true. Lighten up.</I><BR/><BR/>Athana is saying belief X produces trait Y. Your comment here - which is an admission that not all traditional theists have trait Y - shows that belief X is not the sole factor in the appearance of trait Y. Individuals with belief X are, in fact, entirely capable ofMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06378889161319818297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135227640969167152005-12-21T22:00:00.000-07:002005-12-21T22:00:00.000-07:00MIke - a statement doesn't have to apply to every ...MIke - a statement doesn't have to apply to every single member of a group for it to be generally true. Lighten up. These are blog posts, not scientific papers. She's trying to make a point. <BR/><BR/>I Am - I'd love to work with a scientist to define magick. Unfortunately, they don't have the equipment yet. I have no doubt they will at some point, because the energies I work with are real. Of Morgainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074112467402675609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135206948901080112005-12-21T16:15:00.000-07:002005-12-21T16:15:00.000-07:00I Am: You’re right; I meant to say extra-sensual r...I Am: You’re right; I meant to say extra-sensual reality – beyond the senses.<BR/><BR/>I hafta tell you that for years I was a "nothing." I mean I rejected Christianity, but I couldn’t quite be an atheist, either, because that felt a lot like Christianity. Atheists seemed “bitten by the bug of certainty” as a friend of mine would put it. <BR/><BR/>What I felt was, “Gee, I don’t know what Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135204882003195612005-12-21T15:41:00.000-07:002005-12-21T15:41:00.000-07:00Morgaine, yes, I read the “Life Goes On” article. ...Morgaine, yes, I read the “Life Goes On” article. I wish everyone could. One interesting thing about it is that it describes a Goddess afterlife of unconditional love and divine knowledge -- not a god afterlife of torture chamber/hell, and/or sterile heaven with nothing to do but sit on clouds all day: <BR/><BR/>“Just about every description of a near-death experience is this beautiful. Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135204674924414622005-12-21T15:37:00.000-07:002005-12-21T15:37:00.000-07:00Mike, you say that “… there is a sizable number of...Mike, you say that “… there is a sizable number of mainstream (Jew, Christian, Muslim) theists who do not fit [my] portrayal of them. There are many theists - many who believe in an explicity gendered, Father-God - that do not demand that all others act a certain way. In other words, the gender of one's God is not the ultimate determining factor in moral behaviour.”<BR/><BR/>I agree that there Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135181095887875722005-12-21T09:04:00.000-07:002005-12-21T09:04:00.000-07:00Athana said: The thing is, though, are you certain...Athana said: <EM>The thing is, though, are you certain you really know “reality”? Ever consider that perhaps you aren’t as capable as some at tuning in to, say, extra-perceptual reality?</EM><BR/><BR/>I know reality. I don't know <EM>all</EM> of reality, because no one does. If anyone did, we could just give up on science right now because it would be finished with its work. As for tuning in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135166418884684762005-12-21T05:00:00.000-07:002005-12-21T05:00:00.000-07:00So: a person's deity's gender is the ultimate dete...So: a person's deity's gender is the ultimate determining factor in their moral behaviour.<BR/><BR/>This is a strong and inflexible claim; do you really wish to claim that every single goddess worshipper has identical moral traits, and every single god worshipper has another set of moral traits?<BR/><BR/>As for the nature and tone of my disagreement with you, I've heard similar retorts coming Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06378889161319818297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135139609073698822005-12-20T21:33:00.000-07:002005-12-20T21:33:00.000-07:00Wonderful responses, Athana. The inevitable anger ...Wonderful responses, Athana. The inevitable anger always fascinates me. Mike doesn't even know why he sounds so angry - he's a nice, thoughtful guy, but Herstory contradicts his entire world view. <BR/><BR/>I adore I Am, but I have to say, while I know he was Pagan briefly, I know he never felt a real connection to our Mother. Once you've felt it, it is as real as rocks and trees. And I've used Morgainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074112467402675609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135104129785510162005-12-20T11:42:00.000-07:002005-12-20T11:42:00.000-07:00Hey, I Am! Happy to hear it. About your comparat...Hey, I Am! Happy to hear it. About your comparative assessment, that is, of the female versus the male model of deity. <BR/><BR/>The thing is, though, are you certain you really know “reality”? Ever consider that perhaps you aren’t as capable as some at tuning in to, say, extra-perceptual reality? I know I’m not as capable as some people I know. Just a thought. <BR/><BR/>Also, gee. I’d Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135103513740502682005-12-20T11:31:00.000-07:002005-12-20T11:31:00.000-07:00Mike, I just guess I thought it was common knowled...Mike, <BR/><BR/>I just guess I thought it was common knowledge that in most animal species the impregnating male fails to play any recognizable role in the care and upbringing of the offspring. Here, though, are two citations: <BR/><BR/>“The two roles are quite clearly defined by nature: The female nurtures the offspring. The male provides for the female during the nurturing period.” <BR/>httpAthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135096105309145182005-12-20T09:28:00.000-07:002005-12-20T09:28:00.000-07:00I will agree with you that if there were a deity, ...I will agree with you that if there were a deity, I would want it to be female. I'll even go so far as to say that if I were going to raise my children in a religion, it would be a goddess religion. I think they would end up better people than if they were raised in one of the religions of the book. However, we can't turn our backs on the real world just because we have a story that's nicer. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135088190391930552005-12-20T07:16:00.000-07:002005-12-20T07:16:00.000-07:00Except it is far too easy to confuse "broad paintb...Except it is far too easy to confuse "broad paintbrush" with an elegant, parsimonious simplicity. That's what I think you are doing in this post.<BR/><BR/>The trouble begins right after the picture of the bear. <BR/><BR/><I>"The problem is, in nature, social fathers rarely exist.... and some scholars now think the Mosuo were the norm for humans throughout most of human existence."</I><BR/><BR/>Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06378889161319818297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135067359363841182005-12-20T01:29:00.000-07:002005-12-20T01:29:00.000-07:00I heart you, Athana.I heart you, Athana.Morgainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074112467402675609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135002393211205192005-12-19T07:26:00.000-07:002005-12-19T07:26:00.000-07:00Swell post.Swell post.Anne Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18083739996560380258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1135001026072421562005-12-19T07:03:00.000-07:002005-12-19T07:03:00.000-07:00I don't know about Freudian, Mike, but simplicity ...I don't know about Freudian, Mike, but simplicity is often the more difficult goal to reach. And the most effective solution once we get there.Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1134998008983584422005-12-19T06:13:00.000-07:002005-12-19T06:13:00.000-07:00So huge chunks of human behaviour are dictated by ...So huge chunks of human behaviour are dictated by simplistic, naive Freudian psychology?Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06378889161319818297noreply@blogger.com