tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post113261370724083182..comments2023-12-25T01:26:27.096-07:00Comments on Radical Goddess Thealogy: ARE THERE ANY GOOD gods?Athanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1168960003678668672007-01-16T08:06:00.000-07:002007-01-16T08:06:00.000-07:00"The Celts skipped the boy/girl thing, having a Mo..."The Celts skipped the boy/girl thing, having a Mother Diana and a daughter Aradia/Kore as the divine couple."<BR/><BR/>Celtic? The Celts had a bewildering variety of gods. The surviving legends don't do them justice. Archaeologists record hundreds of names of Celtic gods from inscriptions, most of which only appear once.<BR/><BR/>The Slavic pantheon doesn't seem hierarchical, (although I don't Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1133206887139624092005-11-28T12:41:00.000-07:002005-11-28T12:41:00.000-07:00Athana said. . .'anti_thesis: I see the difference...Athana said. . .'anti_thesis: I see the difference. Then could you also say, "Where does female end and male begin"?'<BR/><BR/><BR/>Sorry for the delay in response, long holiday weekend and no internet connection :-(<BR/><BR/>Yes, you could say that and be correct in saying so. The God Head, The All, God/dess, whatever you want to call it contains both masculine and feminine aspects, the two are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1133017354690047882005-11-26T08:02:00.000-07:002005-11-26T08:02:00.000-07:00Ursa, I might be able to warm up to the idea of st...Ursa, I might be able to warm up to the idea of studying with the Mosuo. And what an honor to have you offer a bit of funding for it! When your book on the Mosuo arrives, I’d be very interested in knowing what you think of it.Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1133008146015969342005-11-26T05:29:00.000-07:002005-11-26T05:29:00.000-07:00Morgaine, I wish I could get onto The Goddess to s...Morgaine, I wish I could get onto The Goddess to see your post, but I'm still getting that stack overflow message. I've spent a total of at least two entire days trying to get rid of it; no luck yet. Dell says it's a software problem, and that I'd have to pay them to have it solved -- minimum charge: $100. So I'm still trying to figure it out on my own.Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132979437197933032005-11-25T21:30:00.000-07:002005-11-25T21:30:00.000-07:00Athana=I'm going to address this post at The Godde...Athana=<BR/><BR/>I'm going to address this post at The Goddess - your conversation here has raised some important points.Morgainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074112467402675609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132952892141352652005-11-25T14:08:00.000-07:002005-11-25T14:08:00.000-07:00Grendelkahn: go here http://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...Grendelkahn: go here http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393317552/104-8401988-8011100?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance <BR/><BR/>Look at the first two reviews, by Chris Smith and Peter Agnew. I'm disputing the incidence of violent death, and signs of violence in general. (You make a good distinction.) <BR/><BR/>James DeMeo, in Saharasia, 1998, says: "The archaeological and historicalAthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132939124719890792005-11-25T10:18:00.000-07:002005-11-25T10:18:00.000-07:00Wasn’t Diamond a biologist? Using geographical the...<I>Wasn’t Diamond a biologist? Using geographical theory to write about anthropology, archaeology and history?</I><BR/><BR/>His degree is in "physiology and membrane biophysics"; he currently serves as professor of geography and environmental health services at UCLA, which I suppose qualifies him as a geographer.<BR/><BR/><I>Have you read some of the recent reviews of his book? Some are pretty Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132802400767200412005-11-23T20:20:00.000-07:002005-11-23T20:20:00.000-07:00Its a long time since I read the Eddas and learned...Its a long time since I read the Eddas and learned the futhark but you would love the Norse myths I think. the net has some sources for Njord/Nerthus.<BR/>I have ordered a book on the Musuo, not yet arrived. But Athana have you thought you might be the one to go there and write the definitive book on their religious believes before Buddhism takes over completely. I might help in a small Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132799016748176872005-11-23T19:23:00.000-07:002005-11-23T19:23:00.000-07:00ursa: The problem I'm finding with the Mosuo is t...ursa: The problem I'm finding with the Mosuo is that there’s so little written about them. There’s one book listed on Amazon, but for over $100. I may need to order it from interlibrary loan. Also: I’d really like to read more about Njord; s/he sound fascinating.Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132796728260741732005-11-23T18:45:00.000-07:002005-11-23T18:45:00.000-07:00I meant to say above that Njord may have had a pat...I meant to say above that Njord may have had a patriarchal sex change and was a popular deity, not chief deity. Why do I do These things in a rush, sorry Athana.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132794821330587032005-11-23T18:13:00.000-07:002005-11-23T18:13:00.000-07:00Grendelkhan: No, not kidding. Where to begin. Wa...Grendelkhan: No, not kidding. Where to begin. Wasn’t Diamond a biologist? Using geographical theory to write about anthropology, archaeology and history? Have you read some of the recent reviews of his book? Some are pretty devastating. Please, Grendelkhan, read some archaeologists before you tell me I’m wrong about archaeology. And after you do, come to me with a statement from an Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132794097257893272005-11-23T18:01:00.000-07:002005-11-23T18:01:00.000-07:00anti_thesis: I see the difference. Then could you...anti_thesis: I see the difference. Then could you also say, "Where does female end and male begin"?Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132770994867597132005-11-23T11:36:00.000-07:002005-11-23T11:36:00.000-07:00The societies you refer to are patriarchal, try th...The societies you refer to are patriarchal, try the Musuo for a still extant matriarchy; Archaeology indicates that these egalitarian societies were once more numerous.<BR/><BR/>Also Odin was the chief god of the Aesir the Vanir were the older gods , its arguable that Njord was once a female { in latin Nerthus } and was the cheif diety .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132766899007902332005-11-23T10:28:00.000-07:002005-11-23T10:28:00.000-07:00I think that as time goes on, we'll discover that ...<I>I think that as time goes on, we'll discover that before about 6000 BC, most of the world was non-hierarchical, peaceful -- and Goddess centered.</I><BR/><BR/>You're kidding, right? I suppose my western bias is showing, but we've seen societies where people live much as they did six thousand years ago. If you lived in that fashion, you'd be far more likely to die a violent and early death Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132757915541865992005-11-23T07:58:00.000-07:002005-11-23T07:58:00.000-07:00I want to clarify my polarity idea. By poles I mea...I want to clarify my polarity idea. By poles I mean two extremes that are part of the same thing, not seperate from it. Thus God and Goddess are extremes of a larger whole, without one you cannot have the other, they are not complete without the other, thus with one you only have half the truth. One is not better than the other. It also carries over into the Principale of Correspondence, As aboveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132705555694951522005-11-22T17:25:00.000-07:002005-11-22T17:25:00.000-07:00I have had deep reactions to almost every sentence...I have had deep reactions to almost every sentence in each of the 4 comments above. Where to begin. grendelkahn, thanks for pointing to my error re: Thor and Odin. I'm going to change my post to reflect your correction. <BR/><BR/>Yes, I can "...name societies complex enough that everyone didn't know everyone else face-to-face which weren't based on domination and hierarchy." According to muchAthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132703753561153342005-11-22T16:55:00.000-07:002005-11-22T16:55:00.000-07:00I think you're putting the cart before the horse. ...<I>I think you're putting the cart before the horse. We craft gods in our own image; a society that's brutally hierarchical and male-dominated will naturally generate a hierarchical pantheon dominated by big papa Odin/Zeus/Yahweh at the top.<BR/><BR/>As above, so below, eh?</I><BR/><BR/>my thoughts exactlyLisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03163967166258948396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132696444935206652005-11-22T14:54:00.000-07:002005-11-22T14:54:00.000-07:00Thor wasn't atop the Norse pantheon. Odin was. The...Thor wasn't atop the Norse pantheon. Odin was. There <B>is</B> a difference. Note that Odin is also a father figure, the "all-father", which ties into your main premise.<BR/><BR/><I>Can someone name a pantheon minus domination & hierarchy?</I><BR/><BR/>Can someone name a society complex enough that everyone didn't know everyone else face-to-face which wasn't based on domination and hierarchy?<BR/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132677262624665762005-11-22T09:34:00.000-07:002005-11-22T09:34:00.000-07:00Everything has poles, male, female, good, bad; the...Everything has poles, male, female, good, bad; the two poles are a part of the samething, they only differ by degree.<BR/><BR/>(Look up the Prinicpale of Polarities from the Kybalion)<BR/><BR/>So by honoring only one half of the whole, you only know half of the truth, thus you are out of balance.<BR/><BR/>To be in true balance we must acknowledge the whole, both male and female and not just half Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132653857827717722005-11-22T03:04:00.000-07:002005-11-22T03:04:00.000-07:00Suffice it to say that all Western mythology has b...Suffice it to say that all Western mythology has been made over in the form of patriarchy, male and female deities alike. There have been dominant female, subordinate male divine couples - Morgaine and Arthur, Isis and Osiris, Aphrodite and Dionysus are my favorites- but their myths have been perverted and watered down to the point that they are unrecognizable. The Celts skipped the boy/girl Morgainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074112467402675609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1132627261383599922005-11-21T19:41:00.000-07:002005-11-21T19:41:00.000-07:00Disagreeable goddesses always seem to be "patriarc...Disagreeable goddesses always seem to be "patriarchal makeovers" instead of bitches with the right to be bitches. If female deity is icky acting, there seems to be a feminist reflex to explain why she is not nurturing and lovey-- ironically, just the way "patriarchy" has defined femininity. Why the hell are feminists apologizing for this? Nature based paths realize that nature has elements of Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03163967166258948396noreply@blogger.com