tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post112846925556191920..comments2023-12-25T01:26:27.096-07:00Comments on Radical Goddess Thealogy: Authority Vs. PowerAthanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1128998052807070162005-10-10T20:34:00.000-06:002005-10-10T20:34:00.000-06:00oh yes I agree the moon and more, I meant all anci...oh yes I agree the moon and more, I meant all ancient cities up to Roman times ,they stole there tecnology from the matrilineal Etruscans and others but technology was more advanced in1700bc than in europe in 1700 ad drains were terrible and cholera rife before Bazalgett built the great sewers of london in the late 18 hundreds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1128792368488488702005-10-08T11:26:00.000-06:002005-10-08T11:26:00.000-06:00Ursa said, "Here in the uk the enginering behind o...Ursa said, "Here in the uk the enginering behind our drainage systems has only caught up and surpassed the systems of ancient cities in the last two hundred years." Ursa -- do you mean the Roman drainage systems, or the Minoan? I've read more than once that the Minoans were more technologically advanced in 1700 BCE than Europeans were in 1700 AD. <BR/><BR/>The writer Charles Pelegrino actuallyAthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1128571879251278992005-10-05T22:11:00.000-06:002005-10-05T22:11:00.000-06:00Morgaine: I usually describe it as power for the ...Morgaine: <I> I usually describe it as power for the people rather than power over people. </I><BR/><BR/>That's what Starhawk says in Spiral Dance, right?Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03163967166258948396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1128547917416904432005-10-05T15:31:00.000-06:002005-10-05T15:31:00.000-06:00liberal h b.Wars are historically followed by dark...liberal h b.Wars are historically followed by dark ages when we emerge from them we have no idear how much knowledge may have been lost, dito other cataclysmic events.I remember when the main male excuse for the excesses of Alexander the great nuisance was that he spread culture, we now know trade links where open long before that. incidently when he marched on ethiopia in 332 bc he was met by Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1128543255208910352005-10-05T14:14:00.000-06:002005-10-05T14:14:00.000-06:00I do find it interesting that some of the most opp...I do find it interesting that some of the most oppressive societies in the world live in the deserts. Women of the islamic world are forced by "religious" law to where coverings from head scarves in mildly theocratic environments to full body coverings that obscure every aspect of the feminine including the eyes.<BR/><BR/>In the resource-poor regions of deserts, the struggle to hold onto whateverobliqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12684180057452099181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1128534135557695552005-10-05T11:42:00.000-06:002005-10-05T11:42:00.000-06:00I agree with athanas point the barbarians are here...I agree with athanas point the barbarians are here ,and they did not bring civilisation they slowed it up. here in the uk the enginering behind our drainage systems has only caught up and surpassed the systems of ancient cities in the last two hundred years .war steals from peace as the romans stole from the etruscans ,only the tecnologys of war benefit from war and in the aftermath there is so Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1128518350000342712005-10-05T07:19:00.000-06:002005-10-05T07:19:00.000-06:00Oh, and I should add this to my last comment: The...Oh, and I should add this to my last comment: These warlike, sex-repressed, woman-hating, high-god people have now spread over most of the world. We are they. The barbarians aren't knocking at our door -- they already knocked the door *down*, centuries ago, and raped and impregnated our grandmothers. And voila: you, me, Morgaine, Lisa, and most everyone else we know.Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1128518118580430462005-10-05T07:15:00.000-06:002005-10-05T07:15:00.000-06:00liberal, I think you would like the book I'm readi...liberal, I think you would like the book I'm reading now: Saharasia: The 4000 BCE Origins of Child Abuse, Sex-Repression, Warfare and Social Violence in the Deserts of the Old World. It's based on the author's mapping of decades of anthropological and archaeological data. Took him ten years to do it. It's hard to argue with these maps. They show an amazing correlation between the world's Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1128517448402922122005-10-05T07:04:00.000-06:002005-10-05T07:04:00.000-06:00I've usually thought in terms of "power for" vs "p...I've usually thought in terms of "power for" vs "power over" too, Morgaine, a la Riane Eisler, etc. However, I like this distinction between power and authority. I don't really think you can have "authority over" anyone. Not in the true sense of the word. <BR/><BR/>I'm not sure I want anyone around me having "power," for any reason. But I do want people with good ideas in relation to what Athanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02037246663178726395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1128484057092116012005-10-04T21:47:00.000-06:002005-10-04T21:47:00.000-06:00I can agree with Athana. People use power (influen...I can agree with Athana. People use power (influence, clout, outright coersian [sp?]) to maintain a false authority.<BR/><BR/>To a degree I agree with Morgaine. The members of a community strive in a cooperative to quench, feed, and shelter. However, the basic goal of civilization was to come together so one man could get ridiculously wealthy and to defend him and his wealth (power) from another obliqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12684180057452099181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11874540.post-1128476882492491862005-10-04T19:48:00.000-06:002005-10-04T19:48:00.000-06:00I usually describe it as power for the people rath...I usually describe it as power for the people rather than power over people. We need to move completely away from the competition model. The basic goal of civilization is cooperation to maximize benefit to everyone concerned.Morgainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074112467402675609noreply@blogger.com